Comments on: Concealment Pistol: Smith and Wesson 642 with Crimson Trace grips http://emptormaven.com/2006/12/concealment-pistol-smith-and-wesson-642-with-crimson-trace-grips/ Oiling the Gears of Capitalism with Information Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:58:46 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: federalist http://emptormaven.com/2006/12/concealment-pistol-smith-and-wesson-642-with-crimson-trace-grips/comment-page-1/#comment-525 federalist Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:26:13 +0000 http://consumermaven.wordpress.com/2006/12/18/concealment-pistol-smith-and-wesson-642-with-crimson-trace-grips/#comment-525 <a href="http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/08/31/desantis-nemesis-pocket-holster-review/" rel="nofollow">Here is a review of the DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster</a> -- one of several pocket holsters I use with this gun. Here is a review of the DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster — one of several pocket holsters I use with this gun.

]]> By: Ronnie Lovell http://emptormaven.com/2006/12/concealment-pistol-smith-and-wesson-642-with-crimson-trace-grips/comment-page-1/#comment-213 Ronnie Lovell Sat, 25 Apr 2009 12:45:43 +0000 http://consumermaven.wordpress.com/2006/12/18/concealment-pistol-smith-and-wesson-642-with-crimson-trace-grips/#comment-213 Put a lighter hammer spring in the 642 from Wolff gun springs and the trigger is 100% better than the factory trigger pull weight. Put a lighter hammer spring in the 642 from Wolff gun springs and the trigger is 100% better than the factory trigger pull weight.

]]> By: Beasst http://emptormaven.com/2006/12/concealment-pistol-smith-and-wesson-642-with-crimson-trace-grips/comment-page-1/#comment-31 Beasst Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:20:19 +0000 http://consumermaven.wordpress.com/2006/12/18/concealment-pistol-smith-and-wesson-642-with-crimson-trace-grips/#comment-31 I purchased this pistol for my wife to carry. Her Taurus 9mm had become unreliable. Jams and Misfires, all that good jazz. So she had been carrying her 1911, not the most concelable pistol for a small female. I was a little worried about the 11lb trigger pull myself. So range day comes and to my amazement she has no probs at all with the 642, No Lasergrips. All open iron. She shot from 7-15 yards. Even managed all Headshots at 10yards. Then from 7 yards had her pull it as if from a surprised attack no aim fast as you can go senario. She missed the first shot and the other 4 were dead center mass on a normal body target. They were within the 8 circle or closer. I was very happy. Now thats what she carries. Great Weapon. I purchased this pistol for my wife to carry. Her Taurus 9mm had become unreliable. Jams and Misfires, all that good jazz. So she had been carrying her 1911, not the most concelable pistol for a small female. I was a little worried about the 11lb trigger pull myself. So range day comes and to my amazement she has no probs at all with the 642, No Lasergrips. All open iron. She shot from 7-15 yards. Even managed all Headshots at 10yards. Then from 7 yards had her pull it as if from a surprised attack no aim fast as you can go senario. She missed the first shot and the other 4 were dead center mass on a normal body target. They were within the 8 circle or closer. I was very happy. Now thats what she carries. Great Weapon.

]]> By: Biased Press Doesn’t Question Muslim Assertion that Women who don’t wear the hijab are inviting rape « overhead bin space http://emptormaven.com/2006/12/concealment-pistol-smith-and-wesson-642-with-crimson-trace-grips/comment-page-1/#comment-30 Biased Press Doesn’t Question Muslim Assertion that Women who don’t wear the hijab are inviting rape « overhead bin space Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:52:23 +0000 http://consumermaven.wordpress.com/2006/12/18/concealment-pistol-smith-and-wesson-642-with-crimson-trace-grips/#comment-30 [...] Do you know what makes me feel more comfortable if I walk alone at night– my Smith & Wesson 642 with Crimson Trace Laser Sights?  [...] [...] Do you know what makes me feel more comfortable if I walk alone at night– my Smith & Wesson 642 with Crimson Trace Laser Sights?  [...]

]]> By: Jason http://emptormaven.com/2006/12/concealment-pistol-smith-and-wesson-642-with-crimson-trace-grips/comment-page-1/#comment-28 Jason Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:17:01 +0000 http://consumermaven.wordpress.com/2006/12/18/concealment-pistol-smith-and-wesson-642-with-crimson-trace-grips/#comment-28 Great article, I just purchased this gun because it appaears ideal for concealment. I sure can throw alot of rounds with my auto but it is heavy and hard to carry. like others I was taught to shoot from an old guy who could shoot from the hip and move a tin can with all six rounds. lasers are nice but point shooting is more real. you see a threat and shot from any position without looking for a red dot. if you practice you run like hell and still hit the target. Great article, I just purchased this gun because it appaears ideal for concealment. I sure can throw alot of rounds with my auto but it is heavy and hard to carry. like others I was taught to shoot from an old guy who could shoot from the hip and move a tin can with all six rounds. lasers are nice but point shooting is more real. you see a threat and shot from any position without looking for a red dot. if you practice you run like hell and still hit the target.

]]> By: Mountainman http://emptormaven.com/2006/12/concealment-pistol-smith-and-wesson-642-with-crimson-trace-grips/comment-page-1/#comment-29 Mountainman Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:29:28 +0000 http://consumermaven.wordpress.com/2006/12/18/concealment-pistol-smith-and-wesson-642-with-crimson-trace-grips/#comment-29 I have to agree with "Jimmy". I have been working in law enforcement for a long time and every now and then we revisit lasers. Currently, only our Tasers have laser. The arguments for the lasers always seem to make sense but in reality they don't pan out and that is why so few law enforcement professionals use them. Pointing is instictive and with practice the gun can be employed without using the sights at all up to ranges that cover 90% of self defense shootings. Using the small sights with such a short sight radius it is surprising how well you can shoot at reasonable distances. Lasers require batteries and I don't like that (personal prejudice). Lasers require you to focus on a small part of the target and not the whole thing (loose the forest in the tree). Lasers give your position away. Lasers amplify all movement and cause some people to over-focus on steadying the gun. The laser dot can become lost in a fold of clothing. at the end of the day, if you like lasers on a defensive gun good for you. To each his own...ain't America great! If you look into it though I think you will see that none of the premier shooting schools, or large law enforement departments use lasers and there is a reason for it. I have to agree with “Jimmy”. I have been working in law enforcement for a long time and every now and then we revisit lasers. Currently, only our Tasers have laser. The arguments for the lasers always seem to make sense but in reality they don’t pan out and that is why so few law enforcement professionals use them. Pointing is instictive and with practice the gun can be employed without using the sights at all up to ranges that cover 90% of self defense shootings. Using the small sights with such a short sight radius it is surprising how well you can shoot at reasonable distances. Lasers require batteries and I don’t like that (personal prejudice). Lasers require you to focus on a small part of the target and not the whole thing (loose the forest in the tree). Lasers give your position away. Lasers amplify all movement and cause some people to over-focus on steadying the gun. The laser dot can become lost in a fold of clothing.
at the end of the day, if you like lasers on a defensive gun good for you. To each his own…ain’t America great! If you look into it though I think you will see that none of the premier shooting schools, or large law enforement departments use lasers and there is a reason for it.

]]> By: Gunner777 http://emptormaven.com/2006/12/concealment-pistol-smith-and-wesson-642-with-crimson-trace-grips/comment-page-1/#comment-27 Gunner777 Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:42:46 +0000 http://consumermaven.wordpress.com/2006/12/18/concealment-pistol-smith-and-wesson-642-with-crimson-trace-grips/#comment-27 I just did a writeup on my blog about the 642. It's probably the handiest gun anyone can own. It's so easy to just pick up and drop in a pocket. If you look at my blog post you'll see a target fired from 10 yards that grouped into about one inch. Of course I'm an old revolver guy so shooting a revolver is second nature for me. Nice article! I just did a writeup on my blog about the 642. It’s probably the handiest gun anyone can own. It’s so easy to just pick up and drop in a pocket. If you look at my blog post you’ll see a target fired from 10 yards that grouped into about one inch. Of course I’m an old revolver guy so shooting a revolver is second nature for me. Nice article!

]]> By: federalist http://emptormaven.com/2006/12/concealment-pistol-smith-and-wesson-642-with-crimson-trace-grips/comment-page-1/#comment-24 federalist Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:44:47 +0000 http://consumermaven.wordpress.com/2006/12/18/concealment-pistol-smith-and-wesson-642-with-crimson-trace-grips/#comment-24 Yes, in fact the first photo depicts the Federal Hydra-Shok jacketed hollowpoints I keep it loaded with. Any dealer or FFL should be able to sell you one of these. I use <a href="http://gunbroker.com/User/DealerNetwork.asp" rel="nofollow">GunBroker</a> to find FFL's. Yes, in fact the first photo depicts the Federal Hydra-Shok jacketed hollowpoints I keep it loaded with.

Any dealer or FFL should be able to sell you one of these. I use GunBroker to find FFL’s.

]]> By: al sowins http://emptormaven.com/2006/12/concealment-pistol-smith-and-wesson-642-with-crimson-trace-grips/comment-page-1/#comment-25 al sowins Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:49:02 +0000 http://consumermaven.wordpress.com/2006/12/18/concealment-pistol-smith-and-wesson-642-with-crimson-trace-grips/#comment-25 where can one purchase one? And, can one shoot =p hollowpoints in it? where can one purchase one? And, can one shoot =p hollowpoints in it?

]]> By: federalist http://emptormaven.com/2006/12/concealment-pistol-smith-and-wesson-642-with-crimson-trace-grips/comment-page-1/#comment-26 federalist Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:26:38 +0000 http://consumermaven.wordpress.com/2006/12/18/concealment-pistol-smith-and-wesson-642-with-crimson-trace-grips/#comment-26 3" groups at 15 yards with the iron sights on this pistol is respectable but, as Hollan suggests, that is beside the point. A concealment gun is a defensive weapon, not a target toy. This difference isn't emphasized often enough, but if you subscribe to the latest philosophies in defensive gun fighting the laser becomes indispensable to anyone who can’t drill with their weapon on a weekly basis. For example, in a technique like <a href="http://www.sabretactical.com/CAR/car.html" rel="nofollow">Center-Axis Relock</a> you train to take your first shot from a single hand tucked tightly against your chest. Ask your wife to shoot from this stance and she’ll be lucky to hit a full-sized silhouette from even ten feet away. Turn on the laser and she can print center of mass from the very first shot. You probably shouldn’t even be practicing a traditional isosceles or other target stance with this gun. The consensus seems to be that in emergencies you will have neither the time, nor the space, nor the light to exploit iron sights with a target stance. The laser can compensate for all three of those shortages. 3″ groups at 15 yards with the iron sights on this pistol is respectable but, as Hollan suggests, that is beside the point. A concealment gun is a defensive weapon, not a target toy. This difference isn’t emphasized often enough, but if you subscribe to the latest philosophies in defensive gun fighting the laser becomes indispensable to anyone who can’t drill with their weapon on a weekly basis.

For example, in a technique like Center-Axis Relock you train to take your first shot from a single hand tucked tightly against your chest. Ask your wife to shoot from this stance and she’ll be lucky to hit a full-sized silhouette from even ten feet away. Turn on the laser and she can print center of mass from the very first shot.

You probably shouldn’t even be practicing a traditional isosceles or other target stance with this gun. The consensus seems to be that in emergencies you will have neither the time, nor the space, nor the light to exploit iron sights with a target stance. The laser can compensate for all three of those shortages.

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